Pick whichever one you want to memorize the holds for. If I was engaging a target past 200 with a RDS, a head hold would produce a center of mass impact 39 yard zero is actually my mpbr for 223 out to 420 with 3 inch spread. Go with it. The 36 yard zero wins. 95% of all shots in USPSA are within 3-15 yards anyway. For better or worse, the 36 yard zero is basically a hybrid that flattens out the St. Louis Arch of a trajectory the 25 yard zero creates while still providing a decent maximum range. 110 TSX 19.8 inches low at 300 yards with a 36 yard zero. To zero your gun using this method, you'll need a target with a small reference point, like a 2 inch circle or a 1 inch square. JavaScript is disabled. In that trajectory chart above, I'm a max of 1.4 mils high at 100 yards, 1.7 mils low at 450 yards, and dead-on at 300 yards, as far as holdovers. If you only have 25 meter/yard lanes, just do the math for the offset. Sorry, an error occurred and we could not sign you up. They have offered solid products for years andread more , Yesterday I stopped by the range for a quick day of shooting and testing my new ammunition. As a 0311 Marine we zeroed m4s at 25 meters poa and that was poi at 300 meters. That brings me to these two options, which Id like to talk about together because theyre pretty similar and do well to exploit the advantages of a practical carbine. Live The Armory Life. Sidearm Sunday: Is .30 Super Carry Worth it? Jan 15, 2021 Darkangel1846 said: Well it is supposed to keep your near zero out to 300 yards. Thanks for all the great info on your site! When not shooting or writing about shooting, Ian enjoys bushcrafting and hiking in the woods of Virginia. So many abbreviations on this sight it gets confusing on some stuff. /r/ar15 is here for your favorite black gun links, build pics, questions and other tactical or practical information. ._2ik4YxCeEmPotQkDrf9tT5{width:100%}._1DR1r7cWVoK2RVj_pKKyPF,._2ik4YxCeEmPotQkDrf9tT5{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center}._1DR1r7cWVoK2RVj_pKKyPF{-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center;max-width:100%}._1CVe5UNoFFPNZQdcj1E7qb{-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;margin-right:4px}._2UOVKq8AASb4UjcU1wrCil{height:28px;width:28px;margin-top:6px}.FB0XngPKpgt3Ui354TbYQ{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:start;align-items:flex-start;-ms-flex-direction:column;flex-direction:column;margin-left:8px;min-width:0}._3tIyrJzJQoNhuwDSYG5PGy{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;width:100%}.TIveY2GD5UQpMI7hBO69I{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;color:var(--newRedditTheme-titleText);white-space:nowrap;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis}.e9ybGKB-qvCqbOOAHfFpF{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;width:100%;max-width:100%;margin-top:2px}.y3jF8D--GYQUXbjpSOL5.y3jF8D--GYQUXbjpSOL5{font-weight:400;box-sizing:border-box}._28u73JpPTG4y_Vu5Qute7n{margin-left:4px} Compared to a 50 yard zero, its peak trajectory is slightly taller, about 4" above line of sight between 150-200 yards. Ive been wondering whether the 36yd would be better but I dont really see how the 14yd distance change would have some drastic effect? Pull trigger. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.ea0ac1df4e6491a16d39_.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} Cons: Harsh hold unders out to 225 yards. Its always given me good results out to the max 250yd shots I typically have, in the area I work. Should I just go with a 50 yard zero since it is a a tighter holdat ranges? If you can't see well enough to zero at 36 yards then there is no advice that is going to help. With rifles like the AR15and the typical ranges of the intermediate cartridge(normally within 300 yards), you can manipulate the bullet trajectory. Lets remember this is a speedy way to start zeroing, but you arnt zeroed unless you confirm AT the zero distance. Shooting smaller groups on a short zero don't make them smaller at 100. All that being said, the 50 yard zero continues to be one of my favorite zeroing schemes because its versatile, proven and effective. This makes it easy to achieve the POA/POI relationship necessary to achieve the rough 50/200 yard zero at 10 yards. 36 Yard Zero for .556? But it will stay inside of 5" all the way out to 300 yards and then drop 5 inches at 350 and about 13 inches at 400 yards. The whole debate is pretty stupid. If you are hunting in the woods your shooting range should not extend beyond 200 or 300 yards. Make the charts mil or moa based and redo your anslysis. I saw that video a while back and messed around w/ the 36 yard zero. WTH you want to chase all the old guys away. A 36 yard zero will be on at 36 yards, and slightly low inside of that due to sight offset. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. You may remember Frank Proctors method for achieving a 50/200 yard zero at 10 yards with your AR-15 that was mentioned here a few months ago. 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Pros: This zero can take your 10.5 AR out to 250 yards. However, many optics will allow you to click up or down in 1/2 moa increments, so if your using a variable just adjust up or down on the turret to match the come up. Broken clouds with me laying prone on damp to muddy ground. Thanks. The problem is that it forces you to have to think when to hold under a certain amount on closer targets and when to hold dead on. While a 36/300 yard zero is great for open land, I find it to have a higher than wanted POI over POI in the 75-150 yard range for a CQB type gun. t of aim at 25 yards, which puts them at roughly point of aim at 100 yards because of how bullet trajectory works. Dead simple to use at 25 yard range. And a rough estimate of velocity for either a 10.5 or 11.5 barrel. Whether thats 100 yards and in or from zero to 300 yards, there are a few viable options from which you can choose. That's step 1. Its also not his fault that that is how the APP is designed, would you have preferred him contacting the app designer to have him change the coding on the app just so Johnny can read it? Even though I dont recommend the 25 yard zero, Im starting here because it is suggested so often, but is also often misrepresented as a 25/300 yard zero. I highly recommend that you review Frank Proctors video on this zeroing method and my brief comments on how it worked for me before attempting it. Click to expand. Sight in at fifty yards so that most of the group (5 -10 shots) falls in the lower half of the dot. All your load data fits neatly in the boxes under each target. 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